My pet peeves with the anime community

I figured it was time to write something that’s not a review or strictly series-related. This post has been nagging at me for over a month now but I’ve only managed to get around to it recently. Before we start, let me warn you that this very easily strays into rant territory. I am very interested in discussion about these points but do keep in mind that these are opinions I developed as a result of my own experiences.

We all have features we dislike in anime, most of which are things that are commonly found in all kinds if shows. And odds are that the thing we passionately hate will be passionately loved by some other fan(s) somewhere. That’s natural. I too have my issues with widespread anime clichés but that is not what we’re gonna talk about here.

Today, the topic is not my issues with anime but rather the anime fan community.

I started reading anime blogs months before I started my own and running an aniblog has pushed me to read even more posts by others. I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again – the aniblogging community is amazing beyond words. I’ve befriended so many talented, passionate bloggers who’re open to debate and discussion, people who’ve broadened my horizons quite a bit. But it’s not all rainbows and sunshine and I do occasionally run into things that make me see red. Since I have more self-control online than in real life, I usually opt to turn away from these things rather than start a pointless argument.

It’s for the same reason that I try to stay away from forums, youtube and the like. There always seem to be a degree of moderation among the bloggers but the throwaway comments in MyAnimeList or Reddit have no such thing and let’s just say that it’s better for my blood pressure if I keep away from them.

I have noticed a pattern in what sets me off and have collected three of the worst offenders here. Read onwards to find out what they are.

 

Bashing Shows or Characters

I imagine that a lot of people share my opinion of blind bashing of shows or characters. It’s not about hating something or expressing that hatred. Anyone who’s read my Diabolik Lovers reviews know that I am most definitely not above showing my feelings for something I hate in very unpleasant language. But if you come and tell me that you love Diabolik Lovers over all other anime, I’m not going to blow up at you. Yes, I will be monumentally confused but I’m not going to judge you for it. Gods know my taste can be extremely questionable at times (the things my browser history has seen…). The kind of thing I’m referring to here is when a person or group just tears down a show or character or narrative element while simultaneously refusing to acknowledge that someone else may find something good in it. This also often involves turning a blind eye to the aspects of the subject that are actually good or at least decent.

I’m happy to say that this is not something I’ve seen much among bloggers. Sure, there are plenty of posts that harshly criticize shows – I’ve written them myself – but in general, posts like that tend to be well-reasoned and balanced. Even rants open up the possibility of polite discussion rather than screaming matches. Anime discussion forums or even YouTube comment sections are a whole other story and I’ve seen some real creative insults there, not just towards the subject of discussion but also the people involved.

 

Invalidating Others’ Opinions

This is a close cousin of the first one. Taste is a big factor when it comes to entertainment. You can laud a show as ‘objectively good’ as much as you want but I’d bet an arm that there’s a group out there who vehemently hates it for any number of reasons. This is really a good thing since a conversation between two or more people with wildly different opinions on the same show can be enlightening for all parties involved as well as the silent lurker (yeah, I’ve been the silent lurker a lot). Of course this requires the discussion to be polite and not a ragefest where people flex their intellectual muscles in desperate attempts to cow the other party into submission.

I’ve seen posts and comments that mark an anime as the best thing ever, the worst thing ever, a waste of time, a must-watch or assign any other number of extreme labels. That’s all fine and well…except when these labels are accompanied by the subtle or overt implication that anyone who disagrees is a total plebe with not enough brain cells to rub together. That pisses me off and with good reason. Taste is subjective goddammit. If I want to call tentacle porn as the best thing to come out of Japan, then I bloody well have the freedom to do so no matter what some self-proclaimed anime expert thinks.

For the record, no I don’t think that but I do admit that it’s a fascinating concept.

 

Fanservice Terming

I don’t think many of you will share this issue with me but out of all these three, this is the one that I feel most deeply about. You see, I loathe heteronormativity with a passion. It’s the twenty-first century and yet people still stick to that damn thing like starved leeches. In case you’re wondering, heteronormativity is the viewpoint that heterosexuality is a given rather than one of many possibilities. It’s also a stickler for gender roles and gender identity. Naturally, it pisses me off big time.

So when I see comments that call an anime with a bunch of naked girls in it ‘fanservice for guys’ and one with a bunch of touchy-feely pretty boys ‘fanservice for women’ or worse ‘fujoshi-bait’, I pretty much lose my shit.

Quietly and for a few moments. Unless you say it to my (digital) face in which case all bets are off.

This right here is the most prevalent form of heteronormativity in the anime community and my dear sweet friends, it needs to stop. The casual assumption that only men get something out of watching hot girls be hot and that only women appreciate handsome guys lacking shirts is ridiculous. This is the twenty-first century so act like it. I recently saw someone call a couple of male-centric homoerotic anime “ecchi for girls” and had to close my eyes and take a few deep breaths while I despaired over humanity. I’ve long since lost count of the number of times a show rife with panty-shots and jiggly breasts have been called masturbation material for men.

What, women can’t get off over anime girls? And men can’t jerk off to anime guys?

You can see how ridiculous that sounds, can’t you?

So please, stop.

 

Yeah, that got real ranty by the end. Then again, my first general post was like that too.

This isn’t the most positive post out there but all the same, I hope you enjoyed reading this. Now what about you? How do you feel about the three things I mentioned above? And what are your own pet peeves with the anime community?

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84 Responses to My pet peeves with the anime community

  1. Akaluv says:

    I’m not really in the anime community anymore, so I can’t really comment. I did have a big issue with some Attack on Titan fans in the past, but since the fandom has slowed down, a lot, I haven’t had many issues. More of my issues stem from the writing community.

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    • D says:

      I’m not really involved in the AoT fan community over on tumblr or wherever so I haven’t had any issues with them personally but I do know that it used to have a lot of problems.

      I can’t comment on the writing community either but it seems like problems in a group are universal. Unfortunately.

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      • Akaluv says:

        Back in the day, I avoided the AoT fans on Tumblr, but I’ve heard stories, horrible stories. I used to write AoT fanfiction, and those readers were some of the worst ones I’ve ever seen! But to be fair, I did write the fanfiction on Wattpad, and that website is pretty much a dumping ground for all things unholy.

        Lol, my own angry energy must have flared up when I read this post because I posted a mini-rant about my views on a certain writing website.

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      • D says:

        Haha sounds like an accurate description of Wattpad. I prefer Ao3 myself. It’s less likely to eat me alive.

        And good for you! Ranting is great for cleansing the mind 😀

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  2. railgunfan75 says:

    Glad to see someone write about this. I agree completely with what you say here. I would say that this is caused by a small percentage of the fandom and many people I’ve met have a level head. It is an important topic to discuss and one we all should be aware of. Great post!

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    • D says:

      Thank you!

      Most of the people I’ve interacted with are reasonable as well. To be fair, I rarely get involved in the kind of arguments that seem likely to evolve into flame wars. Basically, most of the fans I interact with are ‘safe’. But I do agree that it’s usually only a small but loud portion that causes issues.

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  3. Some of my pet peeves are shipping fans. They can bash someone if they don’t agree with their ships. Especially the yaoi community hahah

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  4. marthaurion says:

    id say the first two points are true of pretty much every fandom. it’s never really bothered me as i see it as taking the bad with the good. i see the unsubstantiated claims as the white noise i need to sift through to get to the opinions i care to read. im not immune to getting upset with people when i dont agree with them, but i think that the typical trash talk is the easiest to ignore

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    • D says:

      They are, yes, but they’re also the two that irks me the most no matter how often I see them. I can – and do – ignore it but I can’t quite manage to be unaffected. Ah well.

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  5. TPAB~ says:

    Yeah, I’l actually admit to calling Free an Ecchi for girls, but it’s more of a technical term. To be perfectly honest, I don’t really care about the gender tags, but this is literally a new genre in anime. For so long the medium has existed, we still get something new like this and it’s pretty hard to categorize it any other way. Again, I mean no offense, but I just think it’s easier to describe obvious fan service laden shows with little story, and a very insane ending sequence, as anything but Ecchi. I guess I can just call it Ecchi if it bothers people. I also call it Reverse Ecchi, so it has a more subtle feel.

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    • D says:

      I can see how people would resort to using gendered tags for lack of any other terms, especially since that would be more striking than something more neutral like ‘fanservice involving men/women’. Still, it’s something that I hope people will grow out of.

      It wasn’t the classification of Free as ‘ecchi’ that I had an issue with but rather the ‘for girls’ that followed. (And you weren’t the one I saw using it btw). Reverse Echhi does sound more tasteful. Thank you for being open-minded and willing to indulge me.

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      • TPAB~ says:

        I guess adding a “for girls” does seem annoying, especially if they’re trying to discredit the show.
        It’s even more annoying when they won’t budge about their arrogant opinion spouting their words without learning how to listen. I feel ya.

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  6. gihoons says:

    I have no problem with bashing on anime, but it should be followed up by reasoning and evidence. If those are nit present, there is no argument. And for liking a show which I hate, more power to you, i wish I liked certain animes. But liking an anime and that anime being good is a completely different topic. For example i enjoyed Gabriel DropOut, but I am nit gonna pretend it was good anime, it was okay at best and bland at worst. But that aside, great post!

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    • D says:

      Thank you. Bashing followed up with reasoning doesn’t bother me either. Sure, I may not want to read about someone ripping my favorite show to pieces but that wouldn’t mean that I can’t understand why they feel that way. Agreed about liking something not being an indicator of quality – been there a lot of times myself.

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      • gihoons says:

        I feel like being able to like something despite the glaring flaws (like big ones) is just plain guilty pleasure. And there is nothing wrong with that!

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  7. Great post and I agree with you for the most part but the part about heteronormavity I somewhat disagree with. The reason why the fanservice gets the labels it does is because an overwhelming majority of the population is heterosexual so if can be considered a give in. If a female likes yuri then she likes yuri it’s no big deal if a guy likes yaoi it’s no big deal it can be a bit annoying some but statistically speaking you can’t really blame them for saying guys like tits and girls like guys. As for me I don’t like fan service in general because most of the time it’s kinda tasteless.

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    • D says:

      My opinion of fanservice depends on what kind it is. I wrote a post on the topic too. Also, I doubt I’ll ever get over the heteronormativity thing. Yes, it’s the common assumption that the majority of the target audience is straight but that doesn’t make seeing those terms any less irritating.

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  8. Psychime says:

    You will now forever in my mind be “D talks tentacle porn”.

    As for the hetronormativity thing, while I agree with you that of course ones enjoyment of the fanservice is not tied to their gender, it is put into shows by producers or writers or whoever targeting the majority which of course are hetrosexuals. I think one would call something Fujoshi bait because it is content targeting a female demographic not something that can’t be enjoyed by men.

    It’s akin to calling something a kids show/movie. Toy Story is a kids movie, that’s the audience it’s targeting, kids. Does that mean it can’t be beloved by adults? Of course not, it obviously is.

    I think the problem really is using these terms ignorant of the material you place them on or boiling down a show to just that term.

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    • D says:

      Go right ahead. I shall wear that moniker with pride.

      Actually, I was referring to the terms used by fans, not the creators. Not saying the creators’ labels are always accurate but my focus here was on the the way those terms are thrown around by anime viewers at the first hint of bare skin. And the people using them may or may not intend them as easy blanket terms but as I’ve said above, that does not make seeing them used in such a manner any less unpleasant.

      I agree that being ignorant of the material and reducing a show based on one label are also problematic.

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  9. I completely agree with this post and have both been the victim and perpetrator of each of these things.

    In the past I was one of the biggest elitists in the community and I often talked down people for having “shit taste”. I eventually realised that was kinda wrong and grew out of it, and now I’m victim to this all the time 😛

    I’m always willing to discuss and disagree with others, but if the discussion ever turns into a shouting match of insults and constant slagging then I just stop. Why spend time arguing over things we enjoy? It’s dumb and toxic and needs to stop.

    Anyhow, I enjoyed this post. People need to take note of all of this. Some very good points!

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    • D says:

      Haha karma? I haven’t been in the anime community that long so elitism is something I never adopted but I did have other things where I looked down on others’ tastes if only in my own head. Thankfully, I’ve grown out of that but as a result is now far less tolerant of that attitude in others.

      I’ve been around to your blog often enough to know that you foster a very tolerant environment that welcomes polite discussion and disagreements, and that’s pretty great. Screaming matches and flame wars are pointless and achieve nothing but they’re still everywhere :/

      And thank you!

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      • Most definitely karma towards my naive, teenage self haha.

        And yeah, I always try to go for that. I’ve only had one instance in my comments where someone tried to stir up an argument and I chose to brush it off. I’m all for discussion, but arguing is just… Ugh. Thankfully the majority of people in the blogging community are friendly and open to mature discussion, so it makes my job easier! 😀

        And no problem!

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  10. I totally agree with invalidating others’ opinions. It’s so frustrating! Like, I may not like something as much as you do, but that’s your opinion, and this is my opinion. We’re all different. Another thing that bugs me is shopping wars, and this goes OUTSIDE the anime community. It’s basically a problem in most fandoms, and that bugs me.

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  11. Karandi says:

    I definitely dislike posts or comments that invalidate other people’s opinions about an anime. While someone might think something is the best or the worst, there’s always going to be someone who disagrees and that’s fine. Though I do find the terms best and worst problematic as used by the anime communicty given people tend to slap them on whatever flavour of the month they currently like or hate rather than thinking through whether it is actually better or worse than everything that has come before it. As much as I hated Hand Shakers even I wouldn’t declare it the worse anime ever.

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    • Karandi says:

      Sorry for replying to my own comment but I just realised what my biggest pet peeve with the community would be (I struggled with this given I actually really love the anime blogging community but they it hit me).
      People insisting an anime is good or bad because of such and such in the source material.
      While I get knowledge of the source will change your view on the anime and your own personal enjoyment, it doesn’t make the anime better or worse than what is up on the screen. Just because something is explained in the source material doesn’t mean that it hasn’t confused the heck out of everyone trying to follow the anime and just because some point that was in the source material got left out doesn’t make the anime nonsense.

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      • D says:

        That’s just fine! You’re right, we do see ‘best and worst’ labels thrown around casually each season. And while something like ‘best anime X has ever seen’ or ‘Worst of Winter 2017’ would make sense, simply calling something as the best/worst anime is ridiculous…unless they’ve somehow seen every anime ever, Even then, it’s likely that their taste will not align with that of others.

        I think I may have seen you mention the source material issue somewhere, maybe in a post or comment? But yes, judging an anime based on its source is not really a sensible practice. And it sure as hell doesn’t make the myriad of incomplete anime out there any less incomplete.

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      • Karandi says:

        Yeah, I’ve definitely commented on that before when someone has told me that one of my criticisms of an anime wasn’t valid because the source explained it. As I never checked, I don’t know if the source did or not but it certainly didn’t make the anime any more sensible.

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  12. GeekyGirlWrites says:

    I definitely agree with all of your pet peeves in the anime community. After finishing Hunter X Hunter (2011), I joined the anime community and started watching more anime and joined quite a few fandoms. My problem with being in the community and fandoms is definitely the invalidating opinions with other people. It bothers me so much because sometimes I feel I am not able to have my own opinions.
    Also, I have a problem with shipping wars between fans, especially in the Attack on Titan and Naruto fandoms. At my school, there are a lot of people who watch anime and they can be really rude when it comes to opinions about other anime and fanservice, especially.
    This was a wonderful post about the anime community and you definitely described the pet peeves really well!

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    • D says:

      I haven’t been part of any major fandom or shipping wars but I’ve definitely seen them happen too often for comfort. It gets really irritating. Sure, we all like to think we’re right but that doesn’t mean we are or that other people’s views aren’t just as valid.

      You’re the second person to mention problems with AoT fandom. I know it was very tumultuous in the past but I stick to Ao3 and that seems harmless enough. Mostly. I’m sorry you have to face that kinda attitude in school as well :/

      And thanks a lot! I’m happy you enjoyed this.

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  13. Artemis says:

    I’m basically in agreement with everything you’ve written here. I mean, I tend to read only anime blogs that I personally enjoy (which is to do primarily with the writing rather than the kinds of opinions that are expressed), so I don’t encounter too much in the anime fan community these days that makes me truly see red. I sometimes disagree with what people say, but that in itself is rarely offensive – it’s more a matter of how people say it. And to be fair, almost anything that can be applied to the anime community can be applied elsewhere online. People should feel fine about discussing their opinions, but just because we have free speech doesn’t mean we should be assholes. It’s mostly just a matter of basic human decency and common sense.

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    • D says:

      I ran into a lot of blogs that made me angry back when I was tentatively dipping my toes into the aniblogging community. Most of the blogs I frequent now, with one or two exceptions, are more tactful and not the sort to offend. Sure, there are disagreements but also the chance to express them and begin a discussion, which is pretty great.

      And yeah, most of what I’ve said here can be applied to other fan communities. The human decency and common sense you’ve mentioned can be sorely lacking in a lot of cases.

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      • Artemis says:

        Personally, I always just try to refer only to the anime titles themselves rather than to the people who watch them whenever I’m critiquing anything. “[Insert title here] sucks” is a valid opinion (which I would hopefully back up with a decent argument). “People who watch [insert title here] suck”, not so much. I admit though, I do get irritated when readers decide that I’m doing the latter, even when I always take great pains to do the former.

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      • D says:

        In my case, I don’t mind first one provided that there’s a reasoning behind it. Like you said, it’s a valid opinion. And it’s great that you always try to do that.

        Those who do the latter on the other hand…yeah, I could go years before seeing that kind of post again but I doubt I’ll be so lucky.

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  14. Remy Fool says:

    I totally agree with all of your points here. And now I’m wondering if I could have worded my opinions of Frame Arms Girl, Hinako Note, and Twin Angel Break more nicely since I kind of dismissed them entirely. Maybe I will be more careful in the series.

    You probably already know how I feel about the heteronormal remarks. You tell them, D!

    What Karandi said about people defending a series due to its source material really gets me going, too. Someone did that on my review on the last episode for BanG Dream I believe. Blaaah.

    Thanks for sharing such a lovely post. It wasn’t too ranty at all!

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    • D says:

      If I recall correctly, you gave good reasons for why those shows are no longer worth the effort. That sounds reasonable to me!

      And yup, I dooo. I wasn’t sure how that last point would be received and there have been a few who disagreed but on the whole, people seem to react well. I’m happy about that.

      And yikes, sorry to hear that. Anime is anime and should be judged on that basis alone. If one wanted to rate the source material, one would check that out in the first place.

      And thank youuuu.

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      • Remy Fool says:

        Mmmm alrighty. As long they made some sort of sense.

        Yeah the last one isn’t as prominent for others, I guess. But at least people in general received it well.
        Exactly!
        No problem!!

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  15. KimmieKawaii says:

    D, I really appreciated your point about fanservice. This is something that people truly neglect to consider, but needs to be highlighted more. People are conditioned to sort and label things based on societal standards and anything that cannot be neatly labeled is off-putting.

    Classifying shows as catering predominately to either a female or a male audience leaves some viewers hesitant to ever consider watching a series (for risk of being admonished by fellow ani-peers). It is truly heartbreaking.

    Thank you for this!

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    • D says:

      I really appreciate that you appreciate that point because of everything mentioned in this post, the heteronormativity issue is the one that’s most important to me. It was better received than I imagined but there are still a few who argued that the heterosexual majority justified such a stance and that kinda pains me.

      So thank you so much for your support.

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      • KimmieKawaii says:

        Well, it is a worthy position to advocate for and so I will continue to support you on it. Thanks again, D.

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  16. raistlin0903 says:

    Well….I guess you are doing something right (again lol), seeing the number of likes and comments this post already has 😊 Everything you write is so true. The fun thing about pretty much everything one watches, is that everyone responds to it differently. It is in the end how you handle this, and respond to people. I have (at least so far lol) only had positive experiences on WordPress. Everyone is kind, and even though at times one might hate a certain anime or movie, there is always a healthy discussion about it. It never results into something one sees at times on YouTube. As for fanservice, it is exactly like you say it, and that is in a way related to the above as well: everyone experiences it differently. I am not a hypocrit or anything like that, but I at times find it a bit pointless alltogether. Especially if a series is very cool or has potential, but is than spoiled because of fan service (cough Highschool of the Dead…cough 😂). But to think it is only for guys or girls, no matter in what capacity, is pretty narrow minded.
    So to close: this was another great post, and as for ranting: I did not find it ranty at all…only highly enjoyable 😊😊

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    • D says:

      This became my most popular post literally overnight and I am so confused but also very pleased?

      I’m glad to know you had only good experiences on WP. Tbh, I didn’t encounter anything nearly as bad as on other platforms. I swear the YouTube comment sections freak me out sometimes what with the casual death threats and all.

      Fanservice is a grey area for me too and it almost always depends upon context (agreeing so hard with HOTD’s issues though) but I will always defend its right to exist. The gender-based labeling, on the other hand, can fuck off to the Himalayas and never return. Pardon my French.

      Thanks so much, man. It’s great to know you enjoyed this post, really :))

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  17. LitaKino says:

    I really enjoyed your piece dear !! bashing on others anime’s, constant debate over fanservice, oh this community can be terrifying and great all at the same time. I agree were lucky the majority here on wordpress are not like how it is on some forums, youtuber and redit can burn in hell.

    dont get me started on the whole fan service issues people have. I don’t mind fan service depending on how it used but labelling like the anime mentioned like Free. Just ecchi for girls, I watched free and reviewed it a month ago and did not get out of it alone glorious bod bods. Behind it all was a story of friendship between the cast of guys and Free so much more than people label it as fan service.

    Maybe at some point I’ll do a post about how the community is but I’ve been avoiding it honestly as I feel I would add fuel to the lit fire. But the way I would go about it would be different, I’m 26 not 16 back when I use to care about how people were about dissing shows i loved. Now I like to be more logical and not rash.

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    • D says:

      Right? Most people over here are nice and welcoming rather than borderline bullies.

      I think the issue with labeling something as Ecchi or Fanservice is not the terms itself but the dismissive way they’re often used. Like, Free can be full of half-naked men and still have a good story. Same for any show and its appeal depends upon the individual viewer. And as I said, it having pretty boy bods does not make it enjoyable to only women which is what strikes me as the worst thing about calling it ‘ecchi for girls’.

      I’ll be looking forward to that post of you end up writing it. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

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  18. Grimsabr says:

    Holy shit! I LOVED reading this post. I couldn’t agree more with all your points. Your discussion on Invalidating others opinions really hits home with me, “Taste is subjective goddammit.” I wish more people were like you! Why is this point so hard for a lot of the community to understand?

    I hadn’t personally thought about heteronormativity in the community before so that part was really refreshing to read. Thanks for this well thought out post 🙂

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    • D says:

      Thank you for the enthusiastic response! In my experience, bloggers on WP are for the most part open-minded and open to discussion. But the same can’t be said for the anime community at large, unfortunately. The heteronormativity issue is one close to my heart so I’m happy I made someone consider it. 🙂

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  20. I very much enjoyed reading this post and it has given me a lot to think about and has also given me more ideas for non review posts I myself would like to make, especially around some of the topics you have brought up like series and character bashing (admittedly I have been guilty of this one when it comes to the series Bleach) but on the other side of things I have also many years ago had my opinions invalidated by others in other anime communities simply because I am such an avid yaoi fan, thankyou so much for voicing your opinion on these matters I definitely think these are all things we all as anime fans or in any fandom need to consider more.

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    • D says:

      I’m happy to know that you’ve taken what I said into consideration. I’ve seen the general disdain against yaoi a lot (oddly enough, I don’t see the same reaction against yuri) and am sad to hear that you’ve had experiences like that. I think it’s pretty brave that you’re boldly expressing your tastes anyway. Kudos to you!

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  21. Andrealinia says:

    I meant to comment here a while ago, but forgot. I wanted to tell you that your points on heteronormativity have stuck with me since I first read this post.

    It always bothers me when I see shows classified as shonen or shojo. Or when I see game proposals saying their target audience is “males”. Like seriously, stop, just make games target at games who like cars rather than males. Fanservice “for men” or “for women” is just the same thing.

    In my mind fanservice is fanservice regardless or what gender the viewer is. I notice the fanservice on women more, but I never really thought of it as being “for men” even though I’ve also used the term “male gaze” because I don’t know a better way to describe the way the camera treats them.

    Anyway, I just wanted to say that it stuck with me so much that I removed all the gender specific genre tags from my blog because I don’t agree with them and I’ll be making an effort to find alternatives to “male gaze” and other heteronormative terms.

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    • D says:

      I am really glad to hear that you took it to heart in such a way. As I’ve said in above comments, the gender-specific tagging is an issue that’s rather important to me.

      You make an excellent point about manufacturers themselves using gender based terms. It’s something that starts from childhood, a kind of conditioning I guess. Dolls for little girls and guns for little boys. Then we grow up and it’s the same old shit in new, shiny packages. Pardon my French but fuck that.

      I am touched and just really happy to see this comment. I wrote this post hoping people would give it a chance but all the same, it’s something else to be told that someone was seriously affected by them. Thank you so much.

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  23. naomiblog says:

    I agree with everything you said here. I personally avoid any fandom. I try not let me self get in too deep. I try to avoid hate comments as they are the worse. I try to tell my sister to avoid the AOT fandom. But she doesn’t listen. She isn’t one of those shippers so for now she’s ok. But I have to watch her closely just in case XD.

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  24. Tessa says:

    Great post, I agree wholeheartedly with the first two opinions, although the third does not really bother me although I do see your point. I had just never really looked at it that way. Since when I say ‘fan-service’ I really mean fan, as in anyone who would enjoy it. I had never put a gender to it, so you really got me thinking with this one (^^,)

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    • D says:

      Thank you! It makes me happy whenever anyone says that third point got them thinking. I also think the ‘fan’ in fanservice is gender-neutral but people tend to specify it with phrases like ‘fanservice for guys/girls’ which seems unnecessary to me.

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  26. Cat says:

    You a dressed all the things I’ve felt when it comes to all fandom’s, not just anime. Some people just don’t have enough brain cells to have a polite discussion instead of insulting the person they’re disagreeing with.
    Also that whole “masturbating fodder for ” thing is ridiculous, cause I have indeed thought an anime girl was sexy, and guys hot, and etc. I guess it’s just a way of dismissing the people that like it /sighs deeply
    This is why I’m not deeply involved in any fandom’s, really, and just stick to my lane 99% of the time ☺
    Great post, and I do think you addressed some important topics here, I didn’t find it too rant-y, and I wouldn’t mind if it was longer or it had a part 2 /winks nudges

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    • D says:

      Oh god, don’t encourage me, Cat. Each time I step foot into tumblr these days – something I don’t actually do much – I return with quite a few words to say about the apparent mental decay of a decent part of the human race. But most of them are about fandom behavior rather than anime bloggers/forums. I’d say you’re wise to keep out of the fandom mess and do your own thing 😉 I also tend to not get too involved because it takes too much time and effort and nope, no thanks.

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      • Cat says:

        Me? Encourage? What do you mean? /innocent face 😇
        I use tumblr just to see pretty pictures from artists 99% of the time, and not enter the fandom arguing parts for my sanity 😹
        Thanks, you’re wise too to dodge them most of the time 👌
        That’s the thing, they spent so much time debating, discussing and insulting, that they do that more than actual decent things in their lives, smh.

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  27. daizyuyu says:

    I totally agree with you! I understand that not all people like an anime but it’s just plain rude to trash someone else’s opinion.

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  28. I completely agree with you on most of these opinions. Alo, it’s sad to say how fandoms are generally seen by others through the loudest and most negative of people. I don’t mind people getting into the spirit of anime (or any other topic) but these negative people give outsiders a bad vibe which discourages them from taking an interest in a specific anime or even anime in general due to the way the fandom is perceived by most people.

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    • D says:

      Fandoms usually have more cool people than assholes but as you say, the assholes are usually the loudest voices. So yeah, it doesn’t really generate a favorable impression.

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  29. I tend to stay away from the anime community due to the lack of respect the anime community has for one another. I always love debating all things anime but getting berrated online to the point of harassment just isn’t for me. I have never experienced it myself but I have seen it done to people and it’s just so wrong and makes me cringe everyone is entitled to their opinion I’m not going to try to change anyone’s opinion just see my points. I expect the same in return now I just watch whatever anime I want and pretty much just stay away from the forum posts and online anime community.

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    • D says:

      You’ve made the smart decision. Lately, I’ve been hanging around tumblr anime fan communities and oh god, the amount of stupidity I see there feels like it’s rotting my brain. People often seem to altogether forget the concept of nuanced, well-reasoned discussion – or even any kind of polite debate – and jump right into ad hominem and baseless crap. Ah well, there are good folks out there too.

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